Comments on: Macs seem to sell themselves (and users help) http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/ Musings on just about everything. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:01:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Andy http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-5744 Andy Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:14:11 +0000 http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-5744 This is the problem with mac users. Although 90% of the world is smart enough to use a PC 10% say a Mac is better because it does everything for you without thinking. Sorry that you aren't smart enough to use a PC. And whats this garbage about Macs being cheaper then PC's. False on all accounts. Have fun buying compatible software/hardware/support. The funny thing is that the majority of Mac users out there don't realize they are paying for a pretty version of linux. Have fun gaming on a mac, finding open source stable programs, and working in an office environment. Its nice that your Mac "auto discovers" wifi or whatever. The problem is that the dummy probably surfed too much pron and ended up screwing up his computer. Of course this is the computers fault and not his. If Macs are so good then why do businesses still only use linux or windows. This is the problem with mac users. Although 90% of the world is smart enough to use a PC 10% say a Mac is better because it does everything for you without thinking.

Sorry that you aren’t smart enough to use a PC. And whats this garbage about Macs being cheaper then PC’s. False on all accounts. Have fun buying compatible software/hardware/support.

The funny thing is that the majority of Mac users out there don’t realize they are paying for a pretty version of linux.

Have fun gaming on a mac, finding open source stable programs, and working in an office environment.

Its nice that your Mac “auto discovers” wifi or whatever. The problem is that the dummy probably surfed too much pron and ended up screwing up his computer. Of course this is the computers fault and not his.

If Macs are so good then why do businesses still only use linux or windows.

]]> By: Chris Hynes http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-4540 Chris Hynes Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:36:51 +0000 http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-4540 Were the computers at your sister's house running XP or Vista? Vista has the same automagical discovery that OS X does. Inn my experience Vista easily autodiscovers and connects to any network printer in a couple of clicks. No driver install or anything. Were the computers at your sister’s house running XP or Vista? Vista has the same automagical discovery that OS X does. Inn my experience Vista easily autodiscovers and connects to any network printer in a couple of clicks. No driver install or anything.

]]> By: Milo http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-3706 Milo Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:34:59 +0000 http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-3706 My first job was developing printer drivers for Xerox are their Star system, a pre-cursor to the Apple. I develop on MS, because the work is there. I'm all for Apple and what they do. But even back then, the ethos was "This is our hardware, this is out software, its the same. Our hardware is designed and developed to run with our software and visa-versa. Nothing else, this is closed shop". I know now that the intel shift has changed that, and folks are running OSx on a Dell and XP on a iBook. However, Microsoft, and other OS manus. don't seem have that luxury. I know your ref. cases where the Apple printed. If you were WiFi to my network on a Windows (or Mac) PC, it would automagically print. The person-centric design is one that has long been forgotten, I totally embrace it. Bravo. However getting this message to the adminisphere is hard, hard work. Please spare me the "my mac never crashed". My fridge crashed last week. That runs Sun Java. My first job was developing printer drivers for Xerox are their Star system, a pre-cursor to the Apple. I develop on MS, because the work is there.

I’m all for Apple and what they do. But even back then, the ethos was “This is our hardware, this is out software, its the same. Our hardware is designed and developed to run with our software and visa-versa. Nothing else, this is closed shop”.

I know now that the intel shift has changed that, and folks are running OSx on a Dell and XP on a iBook. However, Microsoft, and other OS manus. don’t seem have that luxury.

I know your ref. cases where the Apple printed. If you were WiFi to my network on a Windows (or Mac) PC, it would automagically print.

The person-centric design is one that has long been forgotten, I totally embrace it. Bravo. However getting this message to the adminisphere is hard, hard work.

Please spare me the “my mac never crashed”. My fridge crashed last week. That runs Sun Java.

]]> By: Brian Baker http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-3012 Brian Baker Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:52:53 +0000 http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-3012 Nice to see you made the switch, Greg. After using a Mac Pro for the past three months at a new job I have officially vowed to never buy another PC. The is dead easy to use, is much faster to startup, much faster running my Adobe programs and simply doesn't crash. I am sold. Nice to see you made the switch, Greg. After using a Mac Pro for the past three months at a new job I have officially vowed to never buy another PC. The is dead easy to use, is much faster to startup, much faster running my Adobe programs and simply doesn’t crash. I am sold.

]]> By: Daniel Jalkut http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-2959 Daniel Jalkut Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:48:22 +0000 http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-2959 Tom really nails it when he identifies the "thought put into the person" angle of design on the Mac. And this thinking permeates out to a great number of developers, who are all trying desperately to perpetuate this "Mac-like" feeling, throughout their products. Not say say there aren't crappy, impersonal apps on the Mac, but a lot of them aim high and do achieve quite a lot that way. The really great news for Windows developers, is you can stand miles and miles above the uneducated masses, by simply adopting this person-centric thinking when you design your apps. I know of several Windows app that do this, and it's shockingly powerful how Windows users react to this. Tom really nails it when he identifies the “thought put into the person” angle of design on the Mac. And this thinking permeates out to a great number of developers, who are all trying desperately to perpetuate this “Mac-like” feeling, throughout their products. Not say say there aren’t crappy, impersonal apps on the Mac, but a lot of them aim high and do achieve quite a lot that way.

The really great news for Windows developers, is you can stand miles and miles above the uneducated masses, by simply adopting this person-centric thinking when you design your apps. I know of several Windows app that do this, and it’s shockingly powerful how Windows users react to this.

]]> By: Tom Walker http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-2957 Tom Walker Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:11:57 +0000 http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-2957 If I was in the market to throw more money at a laptop, I'd probably get a Mac. But I'm not. They are stupid easy to use though. I wish other technologies had that kind of thought put in to the PERSON that will be using it. I think that's a key difference. Apple spends time and energy making sure that everything they sell works the way that people will use them, not the way Apple says it will be used. Unlike say, oh, Windows Vista. If I was in the market to throw more money at a laptop, I’d probably get a Mac. But I’m not. They are stupid easy to use though. I wish other technologies had that kind of thought put in to the PERSON that will be using it. I think that’s a key difference. Apple spends time and energy making sure that everything they sell works the way that people will use them, not the way Apple says it will be used. Unlike say, oh, Windows Vista.

]]> By: Mike Walsh http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-2926 Mike Walsh Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:46:22 +0000 http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-2926 I've wanted a Mac for years. In fact since something like 1984 when I was lent a Mac for the weekend. In the end I went then for a clone using GemDraw to do what I could do easier and better using MacDraw. The reason was simple. Cost. In additional to the usual Mac over PC premium there was always a substantial Mac foreign price difference over the the US price (I was in Germany but the same would have applied throughout Europe). There was also the fact that fully compatibles were half the price of the IBM PCs those Macs were more expensive than. Now prices have been going down and I've had more money available but I'm a Microsoft MVP and so need to have good Windows machines around. So the final push over the edge was the Jobs' decision to use Intel chips and the possibility of dual booting into Windows. Once I got it I decided to see how life running a Mac was like and have never got round to setting up dual boot (!). Instead I just use Parallels (and I've also recently bought VMWare Fusion because some things with Parallels disturb me [cloning mostly]). My (Acer Ferrari) cost more than twice as much and yet I find myself using the Mac (Book) more often. Mike Walsh I’ve wanted a Mac for years. In fact since something like 1984 when I was lent a Mac for the weekend.

In the end I went then for a clone using GemDraw to do what I could do easier and better using MacDraw.

The reason was simple. Cost. In additional to the usual Mac over PC premium there was always a substantial Mac foreign price difference over the the US price (I was in Germany but the same would have applied throughout Europe). There was also the fact that fully compatibles were half the price of the IBM PCs those Macs were more expensive than.

Now prices have been going down and I’ve had more money available but I’m a Microsoft MVP and so need to have good Windows machines around.

So the final push over the edge was the Jobs’ decision to use Intel chips and the possibility of dual booting into Windows.

Once I got it I decided to see how life running a Mac was like and have never got round to setting up dual boot (!). Instead I just use Parallels (and I’ve also recently bought VMWare Fusion because some things with Parallels disturb me [cloning mostly]).

My (Acer Ferrari) cost more than twice as much and yet I find myself using the Mac (Book) more often.

Mike Walsh

]]> By: Kevin Ballard http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-2920 Kevin Ballard Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:14:10 +0000 http://www.rassoc.com/gregr/weblog/2007/12/18/macs-seem-to-sell-themselves-and-users-help/#comment-2920 I've always said that while there are fewer Mac apps, the ones that exist are of a higher quality, so you don't have to wade through a sea of terrible apps to find one that does what you want. I’ve always said that while there are fewer Mac apps, the ones that exist are of a higher quality, so you don’t have to wade through a sea of terrible apps to find one that does what you want.

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